Apakah Real? Perbincangan dengan Ranga.

Thu, Mei 24, 2007 pada 6:51 PM

Ah! It just occured to me, from your writing below, where we differ. We differ I think in the notion of AR/Noumenon. Dan, this is the cause for the differences… Let’s come back to this after your summary. A definition of AR/N is important. Is your N the same N as Kant/Schopenhauer coined the term (Read World as Will and Representation)? Is your N same as the N used in the Upanishads – at least its translation – as we will never know the original way it was conceived?

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

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Bilik Darjah
Thu, Mei 24, 2007 pada 7:36 PM

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!Thu, Mei 24, 2007 pada 7:51 PM

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!

How do you know they don’t? Ants move around with a purpose as much you do. They may not be able to tell you so in your language, but they communicate too. Dengan cara itu, communicating an intention is different from having one.

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Bilik Darjah
Thu, Mei 24, 2007 pada 7:57 PM

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!

How do you know they don’t?

[T-i-C] same way you know Keller did have a space representation! 🙂

Ants move around with a purpose as much you do. They may not be able to tell you so in your language, but they communicate too. Dengan cara itu, communicating an intention is different from having one.

I doubt whetherlessercreatures have cognitive representations. Dogs respond to sound, but do they HEAR it? Maksud saya, do they have a sound representation? Could it be like blind-sight? Sort of deaf-sound?

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