Wat is eg,,en,Besprekings met Ranga,,en,Hierdie boodskap is 'n lang bespreking per e-pos wat ek met my vriend Ranga gehad het,,en,Die onderwerp was die onwerklikheid van die werklikheid van dinge en hoe hierdie begrip in die fisika toegepas kan word,,en,Gaan weer deur die debat,,en,Ek voel dat Ranga homself beter bekwaam in die filosofiese aangeleenthede beskou as ek,,en,ek doen ook,,en,Ek beskou hom as beter gelees as ek,,en,Maar ek voel dat sy aanname,,en,dat ek nie soveel geweet het dat ek oor sulke dinge moes praat nie,,en,het miskien sy mening bevooroordeeld en hom verblind vir sommige van die werklik nuwe dinge,,en,na my mening,,en,Ek moes sê,,en,nietemin,,en,Ek dink daar is 'n hele paar interessante punte wat tydens die debat na vore gekom het wat van algemene belang kan wees,,en,Ek het die debat geredigeer en geformateer vir leesbaarheid,,en? Discussions with Ranga.

Thu, May 24, 2007 at 6:51 PM

Ah! Dit het net by my opgekom,,en,uit u skrywe hieronder,,en,waar ons verskil,,en,Ons verskil van die idee van AR / Noumenon,,en,dit is die oorsaak van die verskille,,en,Laat ons terugkom na u samevatting,,en,'N Definisie van AR / N is belangrik,,en,Is u N dieselfde N as wat Kant / Schopenhauer die term geskep het?,,en,Lees Wêreld as wil en verteenwoordiging,,en,Is u N dieselfde as die N wat in die Upanishads gebruik word?,,en,ten minste die vertaling daarvan,,en,aangesien ons nooit die oorspronklike manier waarop dit bedink is, sal weet nie,,en,Helen Keller kon die ruimte miskien nie artikuleer voordat sy taal gehad het nie,,en,omdat sy nie taal het nie,,en,maar sy beweeg nog steeds rond,,en,het sy nie,,en,Hoe kan sy rondbeweeg sonder om die ruimte voor te stel?,,en,Selfs primitiewe organismes kan rondbeweeg,,en,So ook planete en molekules,,en,Hulle het nie 'n ruimte nie,,en, from your writing below, where we differ. We differ I think in the notion of AR/Noumenon. And, this is the cause for the differences… Let’s come back to this after your summary. A definition of AR/N is important. Is your N the same N as Kant/Schopenhauer coined the term (Read World as Will and Representation)? Is your N same as the N used in the Upanishads – at least its translation – as we will never know the original way it was conceived?

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

Cheers
Ranga
Thu, May 24, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!Thu, May 24, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Helen Keller could not articulate space perhaps before she had language, because she didn’t have language, but she still moved around, didn’t she? How can she move around without having a representation of space? Even primitive organisms can move around!

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!

How do you know they don’t? Ants move around with a purpose as much you do. They may not be able to tell you so in your language, but they communicate too. By the way, communicating an intention is different from having one.

Cheers
Ranga
Thu, May 24, 2007 at 7:57 PM

So do planets and molecules. They don’t have a space!

How do you know they don’t?

[T-i-C] same way you know Keller did have a space representation! 🙂

Ants move around with a purpose as much you do. They may not be able to tell you so in your language, but they communicate too. By the way, communicating an intention is different from having one.

I doubt whether “lesser” creatures have cognitive representations. Dogs respond to sound, but do they HEAR it? I mean, do they have a sound representation? Could it be like blind-sight? Sort of deaf-sound?

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