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Perception, Physics and the Role of Light in Philosophy

حقیقت,,en,جیسا کہ ہم سمجھتے ہیں,,en,بالکل اصلی نہیں ہے,,en,یہ بے حقیقت اس وقت کی وجہ سے ہے جب دور تکمیلوں اور کہکشاؤں سے روشنی ہم تک پہنچتی ہے,,en,یہاں تک کہ سورج جس کو ہم اچھی طرح سے جانتے ہیں اس وقت تک یہ آٹھ منٹ پرانا ہے,,en,ایسا نہیں لگتا کہ یہ خاص طور پر شدید علم الکلامی پریشانیوں کو پیش کرتی ہے,,en,ہمیں صرف ‘درست کرنا ہے,,en,دیکھنے میں اسی رجحان کا چلتے چلتے چیزوں کا اندازہ کرنے کے انداز میں کم معروف اظہار ہوتا ہے,,en,کچھ آسمانی جسمیں گویا روشنی کی رفتار سے کئی گنا بڑھتی ہیں,,en,جبکہ ان کا ‘اصلی,,en,رفتار اس سے بہت کم ہونی چاہئے,,en,ہم سورج کے مشاہدے میں تاخیر کو درست کرنے کے لئے اسی طرح سے حساب نہیں کرسکتے ہیں,,en,ہم اس بات کا حساب نہیں لگا سکتے کہ کتنا تیز ہے یا یہاں تک کہ یہ کس سمت میں ہے ‘واقعی,,en, as we sense it, is not quite real. The stars we see in the night sky, for instance, are not really there. They may have moved or even died by the time we get to see them. This unreality is due to the time it takes for light from the distant stars and galaxies to reach us. We know of this delay.

Even the sun that we know so well is already eight minutes old by the time we see it. This fact does not seem to present particularly grave epistemological problems – if we want to know what is going on at the sun now, all we have to do is to wait for eight minutes. We only have to ‘correct’ for the distortions in our perception due to the finite speed of light before we can trust what we see. The same phenomenon in seeing has a lesser-known manifestation in the way we perceive moving objects. Some heavenly bodies appear as though they are moving several times the speed of light, whereas their ‘real’ speed must be a lot less than that.

What is surprising (and seldom highlighted) is that when it comes to sensing motion, we cannot back-calculate in the same kind of way as we can to correct for the delay in observation of the sun. If we see a celestial body moving at an improbably high speed, we cannot calculate how fast or even in what direction it is ‘really’ پہلے کچھ اور مفروضے کیے بغیر حرکت کرنا,,en,آئن اسٹائن نے فزکس کے میدان میں خیال کو بگاڑنے اور نئی بنیادی خصوصیات کی ایجاد کرکے مسئلے کو حل کرنے کا انتخاب کیا۔,,en,جگہ اور وقت کی تفصیل میں,,en,رشتہ داری کے خصوصی نظریہ کا ایک بنیادی خیال یہ ہے کہ وقت کے ساتھ واقعات کے منظم ترتیب کے انسانی تصور کو ترک کرنے کی ضرورت ہے۔,,en,چونکہ دور تک پہنچنے والے واقعہ سے روشنی تک پہنچنے میں وقت لگتا ہے,,en,اور ہمارے لئے اس سے آگاہ ہونا,,en,اب کا تصور,,en,اب کوئی مطلب نہیں ہے,,en,مثال کے طور پر,,en,جب ہم سورج کی سطح پر اس لمحے نمودار ہونے کے بارے میں بات کرتے ہیں تو فلکیات دان اس کی تصویر بنانے کی کوشش کر رہا تھا,,en,آئن اسٹائن نے ہم واقعہ کا پتہ لگانے کے وقت میں فوری استعمال کرتے ہوئے بیک وقت ایک ساتھ نئی تعریف کی,,en.

Einstein chose to resolve the problem by treating perception as distorted and inventing new fundamental properties in the arena of physics – in the description of space and time. One core idea of the Special Theory of Relativity is that the human notion of an orderly sequence of events in time needs to be abandoned. In fact, since it takes time for light from an event at a distant place to reach us, and for us to become aware of it, the concept of ‘now’ no longer makes any sense, for example, when we speak of a sunspot appearing on the surface of the sun just at the moment that the astronomer was trying to photograph it. Simultaneity is relative.

Einstein instead redefined simultaneity by using the instants in time we detect the event. Detection, as he defined it, راڈار کی کھوج کے مترادف روشنی کا چکر سفر ہوتا ہے,,en,ہم روشنی کی رفتار سے سفر کرتے ہوئے ایک سگنل بھیجتے ہیں,,en,اور عکاسی کا انتظار کریں,,en,اگر دو واقعات کی عکاس نبیاں ایک ہی وقت میں ہم تک پہنچ جاتی ہیں,,en,پھر وہ بیک وقت ہیں,,en,لیکن اسے دیکھنے کا ایک اور طریقہ یہ ہے کہ صرف دو واقعات کو ‘بیک وقت کہا جائے,,en,اگر ان ہی سے روشنی اسی لمحے ہم تک پہنچ جاتی ہے,,en,ہم مشاہدے کے تحت اشیاء کے ذریعہ تیار کردہ روشنی کو سگنل بھیجنے اور عکاسی دیکھنے کی بجائے استعمال کرسکتے ہیں,,en,لیکن اس سے ہم ان پیشین گوئوں کو بہت زیادہ فرق دیتے ہیں جو ہم کر سکتے ہیں,,en,جس میں نظریاتی ترقی کو مزید خوبصورت بنانے میں شامل ہے,,en,لیکن اس کے بعد,,en,آئن اسٹائن نے یقین کیا,,en,ایسا لگتا ہے جیسے ایمان کی بات ہے,,en,کہ کائنات پر حکمرانی کرنے والے قواعد کو لازما ‘خوبصورت ہونا چاہئے۔,,en. We send out a signal travelling at the speed of light, and wait for the reflection. If the reflected pulse from two events reaches us at the same instant, then they are simultaneous. But another way of looking at it is simply to call two events ‘simultaneous’ if the light from them reaches us at the same instant. In other words, we can use the light generated by the objects under observation rather than sending signals to them and looking at the reflection.

This difference may sound like a hair-splitting technicality, but it does make an enormous difference to the predictions we can make. Einstein’s choice results in a mathematical picture that has many desirable properties, including that of making further theoretical development more elegant. But then, Einstein believed, as a matter of faith it would seem, that the rules governing the universe must be ‘elegant.’ However, جب حرکت میں موجود اشیاء کو بیان کرنے کی بات ہو تو دوسرے نقطہ نظر کا فائدہ ہوتا ہے,,en,کیونکہ,,en,ہم ستاروں کو حرکت میں دیکھنے کے ل rad ریڈار کا استعمال نہیں کرتے ہیں,,en,پھر بھی اس طرح کے حسی تمثیل کا استعمال کرتے ہوئے,,en,بجائے ’رڈار کی طرح کا پتہ لگانا,,en,ایک بدصورت ریاضیاتی تصویر میں کائنات کے نتائج کی وضاحت کرنا,,en,آئن اسٹائن منظور نہیں کرتا تھا,,en,فرض کریں کہ ہم مشاہدہ کریں,,en,تقریبا ایک ہی شکل کے ساتھ,,en,سائز اور خصوصیات,,en,صرف ایک چیز جس کو ہم یقینی طور پر جانتے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ آسمان کے ان دو مختلف مقامات سے ریڈیو لہریں ایک ہی وقت میں ہم تک پہنچ جاتی ہیں۔,,en,ہم صرف اس وقت اندازہ لگا سکتے ہیں جب لہروں نے اپنا سفر شروع کیا,,en,اگر ہم فرض کریں,,en,ہم دو ‘اصلی کی تصویر لے کر ختم ہوتے ہیں,,en,لیکن ایک اور بات ہے,,en,مختلف امکان اور وہ یہ ہے کہ لہروں کا آغاز اسی شے سے ہوا تھا,,en. Because, of course, we don’t use radar to see the stars in motion; we merely sense the light (or other radiation) coming from them. Yet using this kind of sensory paradigm, rather than ‘radar-like detection,’ to describe the universe results in an uglier mathematical picture. Einstein would not approve!

The mathematical difference spawns different philosophical stances, which in turn percolate to the understanding of our physical picture of reality. As an illustration, suppose we observe, through a radio telescope, two objects in the sky, with roughly the same shape, size and properties. The only thing we know for sure is that the radio waves from these two different points in the sky reach us at the same instant in time. We can only guess when the waves started their journeys.

If we assume (as we routinely do) that the waves started the journey roughly at the same instant in time, we end up with a picture of two ‘real’ symmetric lobes more or less the way see them. But there is another, different possibility and that is that the waves originated from the same object (which is in motion) at two different instants in time, reaching the telescope at the same instant. اس امکان کے علاوہ اس طرح کے توازن ریڈیو ذرائع کی کچھ ورنکرم اور دنیاوی خصوصیات کی بھی وضاحت ہوگی,,en,تو ہمیں ان دو تصاویر میں سے کون سی حقیقت کے مطابق لینا چاہئے,,en,کیا واقعی اس سے فرق پڑتا ہے کہ کون سا 'اصلی' ہے,,en,کرتا ہے ‘اصلی,,en,خصوصی نسبت اس سوال کا غیر واضح جواب دیتا ہے,,en,ابھی تک,,en,اگر ہم واقعات کی وضاحت اس کے ذریعہ کرتے ہیں جو ہم سمجھتے ہیں,,en,صرف فلسفیانہ مؤقف جو احساس دلاتا ہے وہی ہے جو حواس باختہ ہونے کی وجہ سے حواس باختہ ہونے کی وجہ سے حواس باختہ حقیقت سے منقطع ہوجاتا ہے۔,,en,دنیا کی چیزوں کی حقیقت,,en,بنیادی حقیقت,,en,اس کے باوجود فلسفہ اور جدید طبیعیات کے نظریات کے مابین کشمکش ہے,,en,نوبل انعام یافتہ طبیعیات دان کو کچھ نہیں ملا,,en,حیرت,,en,ان کی کتاب ڈریمز آف فائنل تھیوری میں,,en,کیوں فلسفہ سے طبیعیات میں شراکت اتنی حیرت کی بات تھی,,en. So which of these two pictures should we take as real? Two symmetric objects as we see them or one object moving in such a way as to give us that impression? Does it really matter which one is ‘real’? Does ‘real’ mean anything in this context?

Special Relativity gives an unambiguous answer to this question. The mathematics rules out the possibility of a single object moving in such a fashion as to mimic two objects. Essentially, what we see is what is out there. Yet, if we define events by what we perceive, the only philosophical stance that makes sense is the one that disconnects the sensed reality from the causes lying behind what is being sensed.

This disconnect is not uncommon in philosophical schools of thought. Phenomenalism, for instance, holds the view that space and time are not objective realities. They are merely the medium of our perception. All the phenomena that happen in space and time are merely bundles of our perception. In other words, space and time are cognitive constructs arising from perception. Thus, all the physical properties that we ascribe to space and time can only apply to the phenomenal reality (the reality of ‘things-in-the-world’ as we sense it. The underlying reality (which holds the physical causes of our perception), by contrast, remains beyond our cognitive reach.

Yet there is a chasm between the views of philosophy and modern physics. Not for nothing did the Nobel Prize winning physicist, Steven Weinberg, wonder, in his book Dreams of a Final Theory, why the contribution from philosophy to physics had been so surprisingly small. شاید اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ کائنات کو دیکھنے کی بات جب فزکس کے پاس ہے تو اس حقیقت سے ہم آہنگ ہونا چاہئے,,en,گوئٹے کا مطلب یہی تھا جب اس نے کہا,,en,‘آپٹیکل وہم نظری حقیقت ہے۔,,en,واقعی معاملہ ہے۔,,en,بیرونی ٹوبرین,,es,اور صحیح وجہ کی مشق,,en,یہ وہ تصویر ہے جسے طبیعیات قبول کرنے کے لئے آئی ہے,,en,جبکہ یہ تسلیم کرتے ہوئے کہ ہمارا تاثر نامکمل ہوسکتا ہے,,en,طبیعیات فرض کرتی ہے کہ ہم تیزی سے بہتر تجربات کے ذریعے بیرونی حقیقت سے قریب تر اور قریب تر پہنچ سکتے ہیں,,en,زیادہ اہم بات,,en,بہتر نظریہ کے ذریعے,,en,رشتہ داری کے خصوصی اور عمومی نظریات حقیقت کے اس نظریہ کی شاندار استعمال کی مثال ہیں جہاں سادہ جسمانی اصولوں کو منطقی طور پر ناگزیر نتیجہ پر خالص وجوہ کی مضبوط مشین کا استعمال کرتے ہوئے مستقل جدوجہد کی جاتی ہے۔,,en, there is no such thing as an optical illusion – which is probably what Goethe meant when he said, ‘Optical illusion is optical truth.’

The distinction (or lack thereof) between optical illusion and truth is one of the oldest debates in philosophy. After all, it is about the distinction between knowledge and reality. Knowledge is considered our view about something that, in reality, is ‘actually the case.’ In other words, knowledge is a reflection, or a mental image of something external, as shown in the figure below.


In this picture, the black arrow represents the process of creating knowledge, which includes perception, cognitive activities, and the exercise of pure reason. This is the picture that physics has come to accept. While acknowledging that our perception may be imperfect, physics assumes that we can get closer and closer to the external reality through increasingly finer experimentation, and, more importantly, through better theorization. The Special and General Theories of Relativity are examples of brilliant applications of this view of reality where simple physical principles are relentlessly pursued using formidable machine of pure reason to their logically inevitable conclusions.

But there is another, علم اور حقیقت کا متبادل نظریہ جو ایک طویل عرصے سے چل رہا ہے,,en,یہ وہ نظریہ ہے جو سمجھی حقیقت کو ہمارے حسی ان پٹس کی داخلی ادراکی نمائندگی کے طور پر دیکھتے ہیں,,en,جیسا کہ ذیل میں واضح کیا گیا ہے,,en,مطلق ٹو برین,,es,علم اور سمجھی حقیقت دونوں ہی اندرونی ادراک کی تعمیر ہیں,,en,اگرچہ ہم ان کو الگ الگ سمجھنے آئے ہیں,,en,جو چیز بیرونی ہے وہ حقیقت نہیں ہے جیسا کہ ہم سمجھتے ہیں,,en,لیکن ایک انجان وجود جو حسی ان پٹس کے پیچھے جسمانی وجوہات کو جنم دیتا ہے,,en,مثال میں,,en,پہلا تیر سینسنگ کے عمل کی نمائندگی کرتا ہے,,en,اور دوسرا تیر علمی اور منطقی استدلال کے مراحل کی نمائندگی کرتا ہے,,en,تاکہ حقیقت اور علم کے اس نظریہ کو لاگو کیا جاسکے,,en,ہمیں قطعی حقیقت کی نوعیت کا اندازہ لگانا ہے,,en,ایسا ہی نہیں ہے,,en. This is the view that regards perceived reality as an internal cognitive representation of our sensory inputs, as illustrated below.


In this view, knowledge and perceived reality are both internal cognitive constructs, although we have come to think of them as separate. What is external is not the reality as we perceive it, but an unknowable entity giving rise to the physical causes behind sensory inputs. In the illustration, the first arrow represents the process of sensing, and the second arrow represents the cognitive and logical reasoning steps. In order to apply this view of reality and knowledge, we have to guess the nature of the absolute reality, unknowable as it is. مطلق حقیقت کے ل One ایک ممکنہ امیدوار نیوٹنین میکانکس ہے,,en,جو ہماری سمجھی حقیقت کے لئے معقول پیش گوئیاں پیش کرتا ہے,,en,مختصر کرنے کے لئے,,en,جب ہم ادراک کی وجہ سے بگاڑ کو دور کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں,,en,ہمارے پاس دو اختیارات ہیں,,en,یا دو ممکنہ فلسفیانہ موقف,,en,ایک تو یہ ہے کہ بگاڑ کو اپنے مقام اور وقت کے ایک حصے کے طور پر قبول کیا جائے,,en,جیسا کہ خصوصی نسبت کرتا ہے,,en,دوسرا آپشن یہ فرض کرنا ہے کہ یہاں ایک ‘اونچائی‘ ہے,,en,حقیقت ہماری حواس باختہ حقیقت سے الگ ہے,,en,جن کی خصوصیات سے ہم صرف اندازہ لگا سکتے ہیں,,en,ایک آپشن مسخ کے ساتھ رہنا ہے,,en,جبکہ دوسرا اعلی حقیقت کے ل educated تعلیم یافتہ اندازوں کی تجویز کرنا ہے,,en,ان میں سے کوئی بھی انتخاب خاص طور پر پرکشش نہیں ہے,,en,لیکن اندازہ لگانے والا راستہ مظاہریت میں قبول کیے جانے والے نظریہ سے ملتا جلتا ہے,,en,یہ فطری طور پر اس طرف بھی جاتا ہے کہ ادراک نیوی سائنس میں حقیقت کو کس طرح دیکھا جاتا ہے,,en, which gives a reasonable prediction for our perceived reality.

To summarize, when we try to handle the distortions due to perception, we have two options, or two possible philosophical stances. One is to accept the distortions as part of our space and time, as Special Relativity does. The other option is to assume that there is a ‘higher’ reality distinct from our sensed reality, whose properties we can only conjecture. In other words, one option is to live with the distortion, while the other is to propose educated guesses for the higher reality. Neither of these choices is particularly attractive. But the guessing path is similar to the view accepted in phenomenalism. It also leads naturally to how reality is viewed in cognitive neuroscience, جو ادراک کے پیچھے حیاتیاتی میکانزم کا مطالعہ کرتا ہے,,en,روشنی اور حقیقت کی اس کہانی کا موڑ یہ ہے کہ ایسا لگتا ہے کہ ہم یہ سب کچھ عرصے سے جانتے ہیں,,en,ہماری حقیقت یا کائنات کو بنانے میں روشنی کا کردار مغربی مذہبی سوچ کے مرکز ہے,,en,روشنی سے مبرا کائنات صرف ایسی دنیا نہیں ہے جہاں آپ نے لائٹس بند کردی ہیں,,en,یہ واقعی ایک کائنات ہے جو اپنے آپ سے عاری ہے,,en,ایک کائنات جو موجود نہیں ہے,,en,اسی تناظر میں ہمیں اس بیان کے پیچھے حکمت کو سمجھنا ہوگا کہ ‘زمین کسی شکل کے نہیں تھی,,en,اور باطل,,en,جب تک کہ خدا روشنی نہ ہونے پائے,,en,یہ کہتے ہوئے کہ ‘روشنی ہو۔,,en,قرآن پاک بھی کہتا ہے,,en,‘اللہ آسمانوں اور زمین کا نور ہے,,en,جس کی ایک قدیم ہندو تصنیف میں آئینہ دار ہے,,en.

The twist to this story of light and reality is that we seem to have known all this for a long time. The role of light in creating our reality or universe is at the heart of Western religious thinking. A universe devoid of light is not simply a world where you have switched off the lights. It is indeed a universe devoid of itself, a universe that doesn’t exist. It is in this context that we have to understand the wisdom behind the statement that ‘the earth was without form, and void’ until God caused light to be, by saying ‘Let there be light.’

The Koran also says, ‘Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth,’ which is mirrored in one of the ancient Hindu writings: ‘مجھے اندھیرے سے روشنی کی طرف لے جائے,,en,مجھے حقیقت سے حقیقت کی طرف لے جاو۔,,en,ہمیں غیر حقیقی باطل سے دور رکھنے میں روشنی کا کردار,,en,کچھ بھی نہیں,,en,حقیقت کو حقیقت میں ایک لمبے عرصے سے سمجھا جاتا تھا,,en,طویل وقت,,en,کیا یہ ممکن ہے کہ قدیم سنتوں اور نبیوں کو وہ چیزیں معلوم ہوں جو ہم ابھی علم میں اپنی تمام پیش قیاسیوں سے ننگا ہونے لگے ہیں,,en,کانت کے ناموری اور غیر معمولی امتیاز کے بعد اور بعد میں مظاہر سازوں کے مابین ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ مماثلت موجود ہیں,,en,اور اڈویت میں برہمن مایا کا امتیاز ہے,,en,روحانیت کے ذخیرے سے حقیقت کی نوعیت کے بارے میں حکمت جدید عصبی سائنس میں دوبارہ لگائی گئی ہے,,en,جو حقیقت کے ساتھ دماغ کی تخلیق کردہ علمی نمائندگی کے طور پر سلوک کرتا ہے,,en,دماغ حسی ان پٹس کو استعمال کرتا ہے,,en,یاداشت,,en,شعور,,en,یہاں تک کہ زبان کو حقیقت کے ہمارے احساس کو ختم کرنے میں اجزاء کے طور پر,,en, lead me from the unreal to the real.’ The role of light in taking us from the unreal void (the nothingness) to a reality was indeed understood for a long, long time. Is it possible that the ancient saints and prophets knew things that we are only now beginning to uncover with all our supposed advances in knowledge?

There are parallels between the noumenal-phenomenal distinction of Kant and the phenomenalists later, and the Brahman-Maya distinction in Advaita. Wisdom on the nature of reality from the repertoire of spirituality is reinvented in modern neuroscience, which treats reality as a cognitive representation created by the brain. The brain uses the sensory inputs, memory, consciousness, and even language as ingredients in concocting our sense of reality. حقیقت کا یہ نظارہ,,en,کچھ ایسی چیز ہے جس سے طبیعیات ابھی بھی معاہدہ کرنے میں قاصر ہے,,en,لیکن اس حد تک,,en,حقیقت کا ایک حصہ ہے,,en,طبیعیات فلسفے سے محفوظ نہیں ہے,,en,جیسا کہ ہم اپنے علم کی حدود کو مزید اور آگے بڑھاتے ہیں,,en,ہم انسانی کوششوں کی مختلف شاخوں کے مابین اب تک کے غیر یقینی اور اکثر حیرت انگیز باہمی رابطوں کا پتہ لگارہے ہیں,,en,اگر ہمارے تمام علم پر مبنی ہوں تو ہمارے علم کے متنوع ڈومین ایک دوسرے سے کیسے آزاد ہو سکتے ہیں,,en,اگر علم محض ہمارے تجربات کی علمی نمائندگی ہے,,en,یہ سوچنا جدید غلطی ہے کہ علم ہی بیرونی حقیقت کی ہماری داخلی نمائندگی ہے,,en,اور اس لئے اس سے الگ ہے,,en, however, is something physics is still unable to come to terms with. But to the extent that its arena (space and time) is a part of reality, physics is not immune to philosophy.

In fact, as we push the boundaries of our knowledge further and further, we are discovering hitherto unsuspected and often surprising interconnections between different branches of human efforts. Yet, how can the diverse domains of our knowledge be independent of each other if all knowledge is subjective? If knowledge is merely the cognitive representation of our experiences? But then, it is the modern fallacy to think that knowledge is our internal representation of an external reality, and therefore distinct from it. Instead, ہماری اجتماعی دانشمندی کو فروغ دینے میں اگلے مرحلے کے لئے انسانی کوشش کے مختلف ڈومینوں کے مابین باہمی رابطوں کو تسلیم کرنا اور ان کا استعمال کرنا ایک ضروری شرط ہوسکتا ہے۔,,en,ڈبہ,,en,آئن اسٹائن کی ٹرین,,en,آئن اسٹائن کے مشہور خیالات میں سے ایک تجربہ بیک وقت واقعات کے ذریعہ ہمارے کیا معنی پر غور کرنے کی ضرورت کو واضح کرتا ہے۔,,en,اس میں ایک تیز رفتار ٹرین ایک چھوٹے اسٹیشن سے گذری ہوئی سیدھی ٹریک کے ساتھ دوڑتی ہوئی بیان کرتی ہے جب ایک شخص اسٹیشن کے پلیٹ فارم پر کھڑا ہوتا ہے اور اسے تیز رفتار سے دیکھتا ہے۔,,en,اس کی حیرت سے,,en,جیسے ہی ٹرین اس سے گزرتی ہے,,en,ٹرین کے دونوں سرے سے آگے چلنے والے دو بولٹ بولٹ,,en,سہولت سے,,en,بعد میں تفتیش کاروں کے لئے,,en,وہ ٹرین اور زمین پر جلتے ہوئے نشانات چھوڑتے ہیں۔,,en,آدمی کو,,en,ایسا لگتا ہے کہ بجلی کے دو بولٹ بالکل اسی لمحے ہڑتال کر رہے ہیں,,en,بعد میں,,en.

Box: Einstein’s TrainOne of Einstein’s famous thought experiments illustrates the need to rethink what we mean by simultaneous events. It describes a high-speed train rushing along a straight track past a small station as a man stands on the station platform watching it speed by. To his amazement, as the train passes him, two lightening bolts strike the track next to either end of the train! (Conveniently, for later investigators, they leave burn marks both on the train and on the ground.)

To the man, it seems that the two lightening bolts strike at exactly the same moment. Later, ٹرین کی پٹری کے ذریعہ زمین پر ہونے والے نشانات سے یہ پتہ چلتا ہے کہ وہ جگہ جہاں سے بجلی کا نشان لگا وہ اس سے بالکل مساوی تھا,,en,اس وقت سے بجلی کا بولٹ اسی فاصلے پر اس کی طرف گیا,,en,اور چونکہ وہ ایک ہی لمحے میں اس شخص کے سامنے پیش آئے,,en,اس کے پاس یہ نتیجہ اخذ کرنے کی کوئی وجہ نہیں ہے کہ بجلی کا بولٹ بالکل اسی لمحے مارا گیا,,en,وہ بیک وقت تھے,,en,فرض کریں تھوڑی دیر بعد,,en,اس شخص نے ایک خاتون مسافر سے ملاقات کی ، جو بفٹ کار میں بیٹھی ہوئی تھی,,en,بالکل ٹرین کے بیچ میں,,en,اور جب بجلی کا بولٹ پڑا اس وقت کھڑکی سے باہر کی طرف دیکھا,,en. Since then the lightening bolts travelled the same distance towards him, and since they appeared to the man to happen at exactly the same moment, he has no reason not to conclude that the lightening bolts struck at exactly the same moment. They were simultaneous.

However, suppose a little later, the man meets a lady passenger who happened to be sitting in the buffet car, exactly at the centre of the train, and looking out of the window at the time the lightening bolts struck. یہ مسافر اسے بتاتا ہے کہ اس نے ٹرین کے اگلے حصے میں انجن کے قریب زمین سے ٹکرا کر پہلا لائٹ بولٹ دیکھا جب دوسرا دوسرا سامان ٹرین کے عقبی حصے میں سامان گاڑی کے ساتھ والی زمین پر ٹکرایا۔,,en,اس اثر کا روشنی کے سفر کے فاصلے سے کوئی تعلق نہیں ہے,,en,چونکہ عورت اور مرد دونوں ان دو نکات کے مابین برابر تھے جو بجلی کا نشانہ بنتے ہیں,,en,پھر بھی انہوں نے واقعات کی ترتیب کو بالکل مختلف انداز میں دیکھا,,en,واقعات کے وقت کا یہ اختلاف ناگزیر ہے,,en,آئن اسٹائن کہتے ہیں,,en,چونکہ عورت موثر انداز میں اس نقطہ کی طرف جارہی ہے جہاں انجن کے قریب بجلی کی لہر مچ گئی اور اس مقام سے دور جہاں سامان کی گاڑی کے ساتھ ہی لائٹنگ کا فلیش لگا۔,,en.

The effect has nothing to do with the distance the light had to travel, as both the woman and the man were equidistant between the two points that the lightening hit. Yet they observed the sequence of events quite differently.

This disagreement of the timing of the events is inevitable, Einstein says, as the woman is in effect moving towards the point where the flash of lightening hit near the engine -and away from the point where the flash of lightening hit next to the luggage car. بہت کم وقت میں ، ہلکی کرنوں کو لیڈی تک پہنچنے میں وقت لگتا ہے,,en,کیونکہ ٹرین چلتی ہے,,en,پہلا فلیش اس کی چھوٹی چھوٹی جگہوں پر سفر کرے گا,,en,اور دوسرا فاصلہ طے کرنا بڑھتا ہے,,en,اس حقیقت کو ٹرینوں اور ہوائی جہازوں کے معاملے میں بھی نہیں دیکھا جاسکتا ہے,,en,لیکن جب کائناتی فاصلوں کی بات آتی ہے,,en,حقیقت میں بیک وقت کوئی معنی نہیں رکھتا,,en,دو دور سپرنووا کا دھماکہ,,en,زمین پر ہمارے نقطہ نظر سے بیک وقت دیکھا جاتا ہے,,en,دوسرے نقطہ نظر سے مختلف وقت کے امتزاج میں ظاہر ہوگا,,en,نسبت میں,,en,خصوصی اور جنرل تھیوری,,en,آئن اسٹائن نے اسے اس طرح ڈالا,,en,‘ہر حوالہ باڈی,,en,رابطہ نظام,,en,اس کا اپنا خاص وقت ہے,,en,جب تک کہ ہمیں ریفرنس باڈی کے بارے میں نہ کہا جائے جس سے وقت کا بیان بیان ہو,,en, because the train moves, the distance the first flash must travel to her shrinks, and the distance the second flash must travel grows.

This fact may not be noticed in the case of trains and aeroplanes, but when it comes to cosmological distances, simultaneity really doesn’t make any sense. For instance, the explosion of two distant supernovae, seen as simultaneous from our vantage point on the earth, will appear to occur in different time combinations from other perspectives.

In Relativity: The Special and General Theory (1920), Einstein put it this way:

‘Every reference-body (co-ordinate system) has its own particular time; unless we are told the reference-body to which the statement of time refers, واقعہ کے وقت کے بیان میں کوئی معنی نہیں ہے۔,en’


The Asian Tsunami two and a half years ago unleashed tremendous amount energy on the coastal regions around the Indian ocean. What do you think would’ve have happened to this energy if there had been no water to carry it away from the earthquake? I mean, if the earthquake (of the same kind and magnitude) had taken place on land instead of the sea-bed as it did, presumably this energy would’ve been present. How would it have manifested? As a more violent earthquake? Or a longer one?

I picture the earthquake (in cross-section) as a cantilever spring being held down and then released. The spring then transfers the energy to the tsunami in the form of potential energy, as an increase in the water level. As the tsunami radiates out, it is only the potential energy that is transferred; the water doesn’t move laterally, only vertically. As it hits the coast, the potential energy is transferred into the kinetic energy of the waves hitting the coast (water moving laterally then).

Given the magnitude of the energy transferred from the epicenter, I am speculating what would’ve happened if there was no mechanism for the transfer. Any thoughts?

Universe – Size and Age

I posted this question that was bothering me when I read that they found a galaxy at about 13 billion light years away. My understanding of that statement is: At distance of 13 billion light years, there was a galaxy 13 billion years ago, so that we can see the light from it now. Wouldn’t that mean that the universe is at least 26 billion years old? It must have taken the galaxy about 13 billion years to reach where it appears to be, and the light from it must take another 13 billion years to reach us.

In answering my question, Martin and Swansont (who I assume are academic phycisists) point out my misconceptions and essentially ask me to learn more. All shall be answered when I’m assimilated, it would appear! 🙂

This debate is published as a prelude to my post on the Big Bang theory, coming up in a day or two.

Mowgli 03-26-2007 10:14 PM

Universe – Size and Age
I was reading a post in stating that they found a galaxy at about 13 billion light years away. I am trying to figure out what that statement means. To me, it means that 13 billion years ago, this galaxy was where we see it now. Isn’t that what 13b LY away means? If so, wouldn’t that mean that the universe has to be at least 26 billion years old? I mean, the whole universe started from one singular point; how could this galaxy be where it was 13 billion years ago unless it had at least 13 billion years to get there? (Ignoring the inflationary phase for the moment…) I have heard people explain that the space itself is expanding. What the heck does that mean? Isn’t it just a fancier way of saying that the speed of light was smaller some time ago?
swansont 03-27-2007 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli
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I mean, the whole universe started from one singular point; how could this galaxy be where it was 13 billion years ago unless it had at least 13 billion years to get there? (Ignoring the inflationary phase for the moment…)

Ignoring all the rest, how would this mean the universe is 26 billion years old?


Originally Posted by Mowgli
(Post 329204)
I have heard people explain that the space itself is expanding. What the heck does that mean? Isn’t it just a fancier way of saying that the speed of light was smaller some time ago?

The speed of light is an inherent part of atomic structure, in the fine structure constant (alpha). If c was changing, then the patterns of atomic spectra would have to change. There hasn’t been any confirmed data that shows that alpha has changed (there has been the occasional paper claiming it, but you need someone to repeat the measurements), and the rest is all consistent with no change.

Martin 03-27-2007 11:25 AM

To confirm or reinforce what swansont said, there are speculation and some fringe or nonstandard cosmologies that involve c changing over time (or alpha changing over time), but the changing constants thing just gets more and more ruled out.I’ve been watching for over 5 years and the more people look and study evidence the LESS likely it seems that there is any change. They rule it out more and more accurately with their data.So it is probably best to ignore the “varying speed of light” cosmologies until one is thoroughly familiar with standard mainstream cosmology.You have misconceptions Mowgli

  • General Relativity (the 1915 theory) trumps Special Rel (1905)
  • They don’t actually contradict if you understand them correctly, because SR has only a very limited local applicability, like to the spaceship passing by:-)
  • Wherever GR and SR SEEM to contradict, believe GR. It is the more comprehensive theory.
  • GR does not have a speed limit on the rate that very great distances can increase. the only speed limit is on LOCAL stuff (you can’t catch up with and pass a photon)
  • So we can and DO observe stuff that is receding from us faster than c. (It’s far away, SR does not apply.)
  • This was explained in a Sci Am article I think last year
  • Google the author’s name Charles Lineweaver and Tamara Davis.
  • We know about plenty of stuff that is presently more than 14 billion LY away.
  • You need to learn some cosmology so you wont be confused by these things.
  • Also a “singularity” does not mean a single point. that is a popular mistake because the words SOUND the same.
  • A singularity can occur over an entire region, even an infinite region.

Also the “big bang” model doesn’t look like an explosion of matter whizzing away from some point. It shouldn’t be imagined like that. The best article explaining common mistakes people have is this Lineweaver and Davis thing in Sci Am. I think it was Jan or Feb 2005 but I could be a year off. Google it. Get it from your local library or find it online. Best advice I can give.

Mowgli 03-28-2007 01:30 AM

To swansont on why I thought 13 b LY implied an age of 26 b years:When you say that there is a galaxy at 13 b LY away, I understand it to mean that 13 billion years ago my time, the galaxy was at the point where I see it now (which is 13 b LY away from me). Knowing that everything started from the same point, it must have taken the galaxy at least 13 b years to get where it was 13 b years ago. So 13+13. I’m sure I must be wrong.To Martin: You are right, I need to learn quite a bit more about cosmology. But a couple of things you mentioned surprise me — how do we observe stuff that is receding from as FTL? I mean, wouldn’t the relativistic Doppler shift formula give imaginary 1+z? And the stuff beyond 14 b LY away – are they “outside” the universe?I will certainly look up and read the authors you mentioned. Thanks.
swansont 03-28-2007 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli
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To swansont on why I thought 13 b LY implied an age of 26 b years:When you say that there is a galaxy at 13 b LY away, I understand it to mean that 13 billion years ago my time, the galaxy was at the point where I see it now (which is 13 b LY away from me). Knowing that everything started from the same point, it must have taken the galaxy at least 13 b years to get where it was 13 b years ago. So 13+13. I’m sure I must be wrong.

That would depend on how you do your calibration. Looking only at a Doppler shift and ignoring all the other factors, if you know that speed correlates with distance, you get a certain redshift and you would probably calibrate that to mean 13b LY if that was the actual distance. That light would be 13b years old.

But as Martin has pointed out, space is expanding; the cosmological redshift is different from the Doppler shift. Because the intervening space has expanded, AFAIK the light that gets to us from a galaxy 13b LY away is not as old, because it was closer when the light was emitted. I would think that all of this is taken into account in the measurements, so that when a distance is given to the galaxy, it’s the actual distance.

Martin 03-28-2007 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli
(Post 329393)
I will certainly look up and read the authors you mentioned.

This post has 5 or 6 links to that Sci Am article by Lineweaver and Davis…965#post142965

It is post #65 on the Astronomy links sticky thread

It turns out the article was in the March 2005 issue.

I think it’s comparatively easy to read—well written. So it should help.

When you’ve read the Sci Am article, ask more questions—your questions might be fun to try and answer:-)

Twin Paradox – Take 2

The Twin Paradox is usually explained away by arguing that the traveling twin feels the motion because of his acceleration/deceleration, and therefore ages slower.

But what will happen if the twins both accelerate symmetrically? That is, they start from rest from one space point with synchronized clocks, and get back to the same space point at rest by accelerating away from each other for some time and decelerating on the way back. By the symmetry of the problem, it seems that when the two clocks are together at the end of the journey, at the same point, and at rest with respect to each other, they have to agree.

Then again, during the whole journey, each clock is in motion (accelerated or not) with respect to the other one. In SR, every clock that is in motion with respect to an observer’s clock is supposed run slower. Or, the observer’s clock is always the fastest. So, for each twin, the other clock must be running slower. However, when they come back together at the end of the journey, they have to agree. This can happen only if each twin sees the other’s clock running faster at some point during the journey. What does SR say will happen in this imaginary journey?

(Note that the acceleration of each twin can be made constant. Have the twins cross each other at a high speed at a constant linear deceleration. They will cross again each other at the same speed after sometime. During the crossings, their clocks can be compared.)

Unreal Time

Farsight wrote:Time is a velocity-dependent subjective measure of event succession rather than something fundamental – the events mark the time, the time doesn’t mark the events. This means the stuff out there is space rather than space-time, and is an “aether” veiled by subjective time.

I like your definition of time. It is close to my own view that time is “unreal.” It is possible to treat space as real and space-time as something different, as you do. This calls for some careful thought. I will outline my thinking in this post and illustrate it with an example, if my friends don’t pull me out for lunch before I can finish. :)

The first question we need to ask ourselves is why space and time seem coupled? The answer is actually too simple to spot, and it is in your definition of time. Space and time mix through our concept of velocity and our brain’s ability to sense motion. There is an even deeper connection, which is that space is a cognitive representation of the photons inputs to our eyes, but we will get to it later.

Let’s assume for a second that we had a sixth sense that operated at an infinite speed. That is, if star explodes at a million light years from us, we can sense it immediately. We will see it only after a million years, but we sense it instantly. I know, it is a violation of SR, cannot happen and all that, but stay with me for a second. Now, a little bit of thinking will convince you that the space that we sense using this hypothetical sixth sense is Newtonian. Here, space and time can be completely decoupled, absolute time can be defined etc. Starting from this space, we can actually work out how we will see it using light and our eyes, knowing that the speed of light is what it is. It will turn out, clearly, that we seen events with a delay. That is a first order (or static) effect. The second order effect is the way we perceive objects in motion. It turns out that we will see a time dilation and a length contraction (for objects receding from us.)

Let me illustrate it a little further using echolocation. Assume that you are a blind bat. You sense your space using sonar pings. Can you sense a supersonic object? If it is coming towards you, by the time the reflected ping reaches you, it has gone past you. If it is going away from you, your pings can never catch up. In other words, faster than sound travel is “forbidden.” If you make one more assumption – the speed of the pings is the same for all bats regardless of their state of motion – you derive a special relativity for bats where the speed of sound is the fundamental property of space and time!

We have to dig a little deeper and appreciate that space is no more real than time. Space is a cognitive construct created out of our sensory inputs. If the sense modality (light for us, sound for bats) has a finite speed, that speed will become a fundamental property of the resultant space. And space and time will be coupled through the speed of the sense modality.

This, of course, is only my own humble interpretation of SR. I wanted to post this on a new thread, but I get the feeling that people are a little too attached to their own views in this forum to be able to listen.

Leo wrote:Minkowski spacetime is one interpretation of the Lorentz transforms, but other interpretations, the original Lorentz-Poincaré Relativity or modernized versions of it with a wave model of matter (LaFreniere or Close or many others), work in a perfectly euclidean 3D space.

So we end up with process slowdown and matter contraction, but NO time dilation or space contraction. The transforms are the same though. So why does one interpretation lead to tensor metric while the others don’t? Or do they all? I lack the theoretical background to answer the question.

Hi Leo,

If you define LT as a velocity dependent deformation of an object in motion, then you can make the transformation a function of time. There won’t be any warping and complications of metric tensors and stuff. Actually what I did in my book is something along those lines (though not quite), as you know.

The trouble arises when the transformation matrix is a function of the vector is transforming. So, if you define LT as a matrix operation in a 4-D space-time, you can no longer make it a function of time through acceleration any more than you can make it a function of position (as in a velocity field, for instance.) The space-time warping is a mathematical necessity. Because of it, you lose coordinates, and the tools that we learn in our undergraduate years are no longer powerful enough to handle the problem.

Of Rotation, LT and Acceleration

In the “Philosophical Implications” forum, there was an attempt to incorporate acceleration into Lorentz transformation using some clever calculus or numerical techniques. Such an attempt will not work because of a rather interesting geometric reason. I thought I would post the geometric interpretation of Lorentz transformation (or how to go from SR to GR) here.

Let me start with a couple of disclaimers. First of, what follows is my understanding of LT/SR/GR. I post it here with the honest belief that it is right. Although I have enough academic credentials to convince myself of my infallibility, who knows? People much smarter than me get proven wrong every day. And, if we had our way, we would prove even Einstein himself wrong right here in this forum, wouldn’t we? :D Secondly, what I write may be too elementary for some of the readers, perhaps even insultingly so. I request them to bear with it, considering that some other readers may find it illuminating. Thirdly, this post is not a commentary on the rightness or wrongness of the theories; it is merely a description of what the theories say. Or rather, my version of what they say. With those disclaimers out of the way, let’s get started…

LT is a rotation in the 4-D space-time. Since it not easy to visualize 4-D space-time rotation, let’s start with a 2-D, pure space rotation. One fundamental property of a geometry (such as 2-D Euclidean space) is its metric tensor. The metric tensor defines the inner product between two vectors in the space. In normal (Euclidean or flat) spaces, it also defines the distance between two points (or the length of a vector).

Though the metric tensor has the dreaded “tensor” word in its name, once you define a coordinate system, it is only a matrix. For Euclidean 2-D space with x and y coordinates, it is the identity matrix (two 1’s along the diagonal). Let’s call it G. The inner product between vectors A and B is A.B = Trans(A) G B, which works out to be a_1b_1+a_2b_2. Distance (or length of A) can be defined as \sqrt{A.A}.

So far in the post, the metric tensor looks fairly useless, only because it is the identity matrix for Euclidean space. SR (or LT), on the other hand, uses Minkowski space, which has a metric that can be written with [-1, 1, 1, 1] along the diagonal with all other elements zero – assuming time t is the first component of the coordinate system. Let’s consider a 2-D Minkowski space for simplicity, with time (t) and distance (x) axes. (This is a bit of over-simplification because this space cannot handle circular motion, which is popular in some threads.) In units that make c = 1, you can easily see that the invariant distance using this metric tensor is \sqrt{x^2 - t^2}.


The Unreal Universe — Discussion with Gibran

Hi again,You raise a lot of interesting questions. Let me try to answer them one by one.

You’re saying that our observations of an object moving away from us would look identical in either an SR or Galilean context, and therefore this is not a good test for SR.

What I’m saying is slightly different. The coordinate transformation in SR is derived considering only receding objects and sensing it using radar-like round trip light travel time. It is then assumed that the transformation laws thus derived apply to all objects. Because the round trip light travel is used, the transformation works for approaching objects as well, but not for things moving in other directions. But SR assumes that the transformation is a property of space and time and asserts that it applies to all moving (inertial) frames of reference regardless of direction.

We have to go a little deeper and ask ourselves what that statement means, what it means to talk about the properties of space. We cannot think of a space independent of our perception. Physicists are typically not happy with this starting point of mine. They think of space as something that exists independent of our sensing it. And they insist that SR applies to this independently existing space. I beg to differ. I consider space as a cognitive construct based on our perceptual inputs. There is an underlying reality that is the cause of our perception of space. It may be nothing like space, but let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the underlying reality is like Galilean space-time. How would be perceive it, given that we perceive it using light (one-way travel of light, not two-way as SR assumes)? It turns out that our perceptual space would have time dilation and length contraction and all other effect predicted by SR. So my thesis is that the underlying reality obeys Galilean space-time and our perceptual space obeys something like SR. (It is possible that if I assume that our perception uses two-way light travel, I may get SR-like transformation. I haven’t done it because it seems obvious to me that we perceive a star, for instance, by sensing the light from it rather than flashing a light at it.)

This thesis doesn’t sit well with physicists, and indeed with most people. They mistake “perceptual effects” to be something like optical illusions. My point is more like space itself is an illusion. If you look at the night sky, you know that the stars you see are not “real” in the sense that they are not there when you are looking at them. This is simply because the information carrier, namely light, has a finite speed. If the star under observation is in motion, our perception of its motion is distorted for the same reason. SR is an attempt to formalize our perception of motion. Since motion and speed are concepts that mix space and time, SR has to operate on “space-time continuum.” Since SR is based on perceptual effects, it requires an observer and describes motion as he perceives it.

But are you actually saying that not a single experiment has been done with objects moving in any other direction than farther away? And what about experiments on time dilation where astronauts go into space and return with clocks showing less elapsed time than ones that stayed on the ground? Doesn’t this support the ideas inherent in SR?

Experiments are always interpreted in the light of a theory. It is always a model based interpretation. I know that this is not a convincing argument for you, so let me give you an example. Scientists have observed superluminal motion in certain celestial objects. They measure the angular speed of the celestial object, and they have some estimate of its distance from us, so they can estimate the speed. If we didn’t have SR, there would be nothing remarkable about this observation of superluminality. Since we do have SR, one has to find an “explanation” for this. The explanation is this: when an object approaches us at a shallow angle, it can appear to come in quite a bit faster than its real speed. Thus the “real” speed is subluminal while the “apparent” speed may be superluminal. This interpretation of the observation, in my view, breaks the philosophical grounding of SR that it is a description of the motion as it appears to the observer.

Now, there are other observations of where almost symmetric ejecta are seen on opposing jets in symmetric celestial objects. The angular speeds may indicate superluminality in both the jets if the distance of the object is sufficiently large. Since the jets are assumed to be back-to-back, if one jet is approaching us (thereby giving us the illusion of superluminality), the other jet has bet receding and can never appear superluminal, unless, of course, the underlying motion is superluminal. The interpretation of this observation is that the distance of the object is limited by the “fact” that real motion cannot be superluminal. This is what I mean by experiments being open to theory or model based interpretations.

In the case of moving clocks being slower, it is never a pure SR experiment because you cannot find space without gravity. Besides, one clock has to be accelerated or decelerated and GR applies. Otherwise, the age-old twin paradox would apply.

I know there have been some experiments done to support Einstein’s theories, like the bending of light due to gravity, but are you saying that all of them can be consistently re-interpreted according to your theory? If this is so, it’s dam surprising! I mean, no offense to you – you’re obviously a very bright individual, and you know much more about this stuff than I do, but I’d have to question how something like this slipped right through physicists’ fingers for 100 years.

These are gravity related questions and fall under GR. My “theory” doesn’t try to reinterpret GR or gravity at all. I put theory in inverted quotes because, to me, it is a rather obvious observation that there is a distinction between what we see and the underlying causes of our perception. The algebra involved is fairly simple by physics standards.

Supposing you’re right in that space and time are actually Galilean, and that the effects of SR are artifacts of our perception. How then are the results of the Michelson-Morley experiments explained? I’m sorry if you did explain it in your book, but it must have flown right over my head. Or are we leaving this as a mystery, an anomaly for future theorists to figure out?

I haven’t completely explained MMX, more or less leaving it as a mystery. I think the explanation hinges on how light is reflected off a moving mirror, which I pointed out in the book. Suppose the mirror is moving away from the light source at a speed of v in our frame of reference. Light strikes it at a speed of c-v. What is the speed of the reflected light? If the laws of reflection should hold (it’s not immediately obvious that they should), then the reflected light has to have a speed of c-v as well. This may explain why MMX gives null result. I haven’t worked out the whole thing though. I will, once I quit my day job and dedicate my life to full-time thinking. :-)

My idea is not a replacement theory for all of Einstein’s theories. It’s merely a reinterpretation of one part of SR. Since the rest of Einstein’s edifice is built on this coordinate transformation part, I’m sure there will be some reinterpretation of the rest of SR and GR also based on my idea. Again, this is a project for later. My reinterpretation is not an attempt to prove Einstein’s theories wrong; I merely want to point out that they apply to reality as we perceive it.

Overall, it was worth the $5 I payed. Thanks for the good read. Don’t take my questions as an assault on your proposal – I’m honestly in the dark about these things and I absolutely crave light (he he). If you could kindly answer them in your spare time, I’d love to share more ideas with you. It’s good to find a fellow thinker to bounce cool ideas like this off of. I’ll PM you again once I’m fully done the book. Again, it was a very satisfying read.

Thanks! I’m glad that you like my ideas and my writing. I don’t mind criticism at all. Hope I have answered most of your questions. If not, or if you want to disagree with my answers, feel free to write back. Always a pleasure to chat about these things even if we don’t agree with each other.

– Best regards,
– Manoj

Anti-relativity and Superluminality

Leo wrote:I have some problems with the introductory part though, when you confront light travel effects and relativistic transforms. You correctly state that all perceptual illusions have been cleared away in the conception of Special Relativity, but you also say that these perceptual illusions remained as a subconscious basis for the cognitive model of Special Relativity. Do I understand what you mean or do I get it wrong?

The perceptual effects are known in physics; they are called Light Travel Time effects (LTT, to cook up an acronym). These effects are considered an optical illusion on the motion of the object under observation. Once you take out the LTT effects, you get the “real” motion of the object . This real motion is supposed to obey SR. This is the current interpretation of SR.

My argument is that the LTT effects are so similar to SR that we should think of SR as just a formalization of LTT. (In fact, a slightly erroneous formalization.) Many reasons for this argument:
1. We cannot disentagle the “optical illusion” because many underlying configurations give rise to the same perception. In other words, going from what we see to what is causing our perception is a one to many problem.
2. SR coordinate transformation is partially based on LTT effects.
3. LTT effects are stronger than relativistic effects.

Probably for these reasons, what SR does is to say that what we see is what it is really like. It then tries to mathematically describe what we see. (This is what I meant by a formaliztion. ) Later on, when we figured out that LTT effects didn’t quite match with SR (as in the observation of “apparent” superluminal motion), we thought we had to “take out” the LTT effects and then say that the underlying motion (or space and time) obeyed SR. What I’m suggesting in my book and articles is that we should just guess what the underlying space and time are like and work out what our perception of it will be (because going the other way is an ill-posed one-to-many problem). My first guess, naturally, was Galilean space-time. This guess results in a rather neat and simple explantions of GRBs and DRAGNs as luminal booms and their aftermath.

Discussion on the Daily Mail (UK)

On the Daily Mail forum, one participant (called “whats-in-a-name”) started talking about The Unreal Universe on July 15, 2006. It was attacked fairly viciously on the forum. I happened to see it during a Web search and decided to step in and defend it.

15 July, 2006

Posted by: whats-in-a-name on 15/07/06 at 09:28 AM

Ah, Kek, you’ve given me a further reason to be distracted from what I should be doing- and I can tell you that this is more interesting at the moment.I’ve been trying to formulate some ideas and there’s one coming- but I’ll have to give it to you in bits.I don’t want to delve into pseudoscience or take the woo-ish road that says that you can explain everything with quantum theory, but try starting here:

The “Journal Article” link at the bottom touches on some of the points that we discussed elsewhere. It goes slightly off-topic, but you might also find the “Philosophy” link at the top left interesting.

Posted by: patopreto on 15/07/06 at 06:17 PM

Regarding that web site wian.One does not need to ead past this sentence –

The theories of physics are a description of reality. Reality is created out of the readings from our senses. Knowing that our senses all work using light as an intermediary, is it a surprise that the speed of light is of fundamental importance in our reality?

to realise that tis web site is complete ignorant hokum. I stopped at that point.

16 July, 2006

Posted by: whats-in-a-name on 16/07/06 at 09:04 AM

I’ve just been back to read that bit more carefully. I don’t know why the writer phrased it like that but surely what he meant was:(i) “Our perception of what is real is created out of the readings from our senses.” I think that most physicists wouldn’t argue with that would they? At the quantum level reality as we understand it doesn’t exist; you can only say that particles have more of a tendency to exist in one place or state than another.(ii) The information that we pick up from optical or radio telescopes, gamma-ray detectors and the like, shows the state of distant objects as they were in the past, owing to the transit time of the radiation. Delving deeper into space therefore enables us to look further back into the history of the universe.It’s an unusual way to express the point, I agree, but it doesn’t devalue the other information on there. In particular there are links to other papers that go into rather more detail, but I wanted to start with something that offered a more general view.

I get the impression that your study of physics is rather more advanced than mine- as I’ve said previously I’m only an amateur, though I’ve probably taken my interest a bit further than most. I’m happy to be corrected if any of my reasoning is flawed, though what I’ve said so far s quite basic stuff.

The ideas that I’m trying to express in response to Keka’s challenge are my own and again, I’m quite prepared to have you or anyone else knock them down. I’m still formulating my thoughts and I wanted to start by considering the model that physicists use of the nature of matter, going down to the grainy structure of spacetime at the Plank distance and quantum uncertainty.

I’ll have to come back to this in a day or two, but meanwhile if you or anyone else wants to offer an opposing view, please do.

Posted by: patopreto on 16/07/06 at 10:52 AM

I don’t know why the writer phrased it like that but surely what he meant was:

I think the write is quit clear! WIAN – you have re-written what he says to mean something different.

The writer is quite clear – “Once we accept that space and time are a part of the cognitive model created by the brain, and that special relativity applies to the cognitive model, we can ponder over the physical causes behind the model, the absolute reality itself.”

Blah Blah Blah!

The writer, Manoj Thulasidas, is an employee of OCBC bank in Singapore and self-described “amateur philosopher”. What is he writes appears to be nothing more than a religiously influenced solipsistic philosophy. Solipsism is interesting as a philosophical standpoint but quickly falls apart. If Manoj can start his arguments from such shaky grounds without explanation, then I really have no other course to take than to accept his descriptions of himself as “amateur”.

Maybe back to MEQUACK!